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Thanks for the tips purple, I bought a router, and it does seem to have helped. I must also clarify that I never suspected anybody at this site and that is why I never mentioned it before, since it happened at other sites also.

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Perhaps sometimes my questions seem aggressive. I'm sorry if they do. I do not mean to offend.


I wouldn't worry about offending people Q, from my experience the only people who get offended are those who have just had a mirror thrust in their face and don't like what they see and decide to go on the attack, therefor it is their problem and something they need to deal with. For example, if somebody called you a rapist, and you know you're not, it's pretty hard to get offended. That is why it is so hard for many of us to read scripture, because it like looking into a mirror. Some accept that they don't like what they see and decide to change, and others decide that there's nothing wrong with them so there must be something wrong with the mirror. Some look in the mirror and are so delude they see themselves as perfect, like many of our "holy" men.

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I have a great deal of respect for you, Dr.X - even tho in the heat of discussion it might seem contrary. I enjoy our collective inquisitions immensely & I have learned quite a lot from those conversations. I hope the same can be said for you.


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Good question, does it say in the scriptures it is a person or being equal with God, or a being at all for that matter?


I don't Believe so. But then again, I am not as familiar with the Codex Biblica as you are. :idea:


To tell you the truth it's still something I'm looking into, and I am still working my way through the scriptures on that subject. From what I have come to read, they talk about the Holy spirit or Holy ghost dwelling in you, just like it talks about God or Jesus dwelling in you and changing your mindset for the better. I believe man inherently has a carnal and rebellious mind where he likes to do things his own way, even if it leads to his own destruction, but if you wish to reject that carnal mind and wish to submit to a higher being, and ask instead for Jesus to dwell in you, he can show you a better way. It's not about letting yourself get walked over, but about humbling yourself and admitting you don't know everything and never could, and that your past ways have not exactly brought you complete happiness and you wish to try another path. This is why I believe man had the fall from grace after eden. Man decided he knew better than God, so God said, okay, if you'd rather listen to venomous vipers have it your way and see where it gets you, and nowadays we have people saying "there can't be a God because he wouldn't allow war or aids". The things people use to discredit God are all products of man and his choices, not God's. That is why I believe what it says in the scripture that Jesus will return at the end of our self rule to stop it all before there is no flesh left. Look what's happening around us, and it will only get worse from here on in. I think God will have a lot of "I told you so"'s to dish out that day, to me included. Anyway I went off on a bit of a rant there, again :wink: , but to me it seems like the Holy spirit is the power of God dwelling in man, helping us to understand things that we in no way would with a carnal, earthly, rebellious mind.

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Indeed. Unfortunately, the great Philosophy Of Life that was the Nazerene's Message was high-jacked by a bunch of egotistical Politicians. Christianity has been a mockery of its founder since the moment he ascended. I often wonder how he feels about it…


JOHN 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Jesus would not be very happy I would suspect. I would however not agree that his teachings were made a mockery from the moment he asscended. I beleive from the book of Acts etc that his followers stuck to his teachings. Jesus also prophesied that a very small remnant would stick to his teachings right up until the end of the age. I beleive is is quite possible that things started going awry with a guy named simon, referred to by many as simon the sorcerer. It is interesteing to note that Peter's orignal name was simon also. It could have been possible that this simon (the sorcerer) later impersonated Simon Peter and that was how "Christianity" as we know it branchijng from the church of rome came about. Here are the verses describing him. (note that he doesn't repent, he just expects Peter to pray that nothing bad happens to him)

ACTS 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Hmmm, just noticed in those verses it talks of the Holy Ghost and Jesus, and it mentions "he". That's the problem with greek translated into english, it's easy to misunderstand the point at heart.....for example is the "he" refering to Jesus or the holy spirit? Something else I will definately be looking into.

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I have had a talk with the Nazerene at one point in my life. We spoke of Existence, Metaphysics, Spirituality - everything we are discussing here, it seems. I have a great respect for the Nazerene & his message of Unquestioning Love. In fact, for all of what I see as false or immaterial within the Christian "Doctrine" (& I use that word losely), "Love Thy Neighbour" is one of THE greatest Truths I have ever learned. It is the one thing that the Individual known as Jesus (whether he was the Christ or the Barbaras, I'm not sure anymore…) taught to mankind that is so important. Unfortunately, this simple message is often forgotten or neglected by those who say they are his Faithful :idea: This hypocracy puts a bad taste in my mouth & often frustrates me. But, I try to follow the Nazerene's example. I try to Love Humanity unquestionably. It is often very hard.


I agree, following His teaching is extremely hard, but the great thing is he also understands that we are all sinners and fall short of the grace of God, and we shouldn't judge others who fail as we have done. If he thought we would all be able to follow him to the letter, he would not have needed to die for our sins. He took our punishment (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord), and all I need to do is belive that. He told us the path away from destruction, yet knew we would fail at times, and then took our death sentence on his own head so we wouldn't have to. No greater has ever lived, and that's why I accept that He fully deserves to rule this earth, and why I would consider it an honour, not a weakness, to be able to bow at his feet.


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One other thing when I used ZoneAlarm, X - I think I used it for about a year, and it told me I had like 300,000 attempts to access my computer during that time. I think you get that warning from cookies and such.

There would have had to have been a virtual army of hackers trying to hack my computer on a dialy basis - which I don't think is the case.

I'm a horrible judge of character in general, but TheFounder swears he doesn't allow spyware or other types of invasive software other than a very basic and simple cookie that remembers you.

I believe him - but like I said - I'm a terrible judge of character. :lol:


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Dr.X wrote:
Q'elle'sar wrote:
Perhaps sometimes my questions seem aggressive. I'm sorry if they do. I do not mean to offend.


I wouldn't worry about offending people Q, from my experience the only people who get offended are those who have just had a mirror thrust in their face and don't like what they see and decide to go on the attack, therefor it is their problem and something they need to deal with. For example, if somebody called you a rapist, and you know you're not, it's pretty hard to get offended. That is why it is so hard for many of us to read scripture, because it like looking into a mirror. Some accept that they don't like what they see and decide to change, and others decide that there's nothing wrong with them so there must be something wrong with the mirror. Some look in the mirror and are so delude they see themselves as perfect, like many of our "holy" men.


I guess I'm someone who looks at as many different mirrors as I can find :wink:

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Good question, does it say in the scriptures it is a person or being equal with God, or a being at all for that matter?


I don't Believe so. But then again, I am not as familiar with the Codex Biblica as you are. :idea:


To tell you the truth it's still something I'm looking into, and I am still working my way through the scriptures on that subject. From what I have come to read, they talk about the Holy spirit or Holy ghost dwelling in you, just like it talks about God or Jesus dwelling in you and changing your mindset for the better. I believe man inherently has a carnal and rebellious mind where he likes to do things his own way, even if it leads to his own destruction, but if you wish to reject that carnal mind and wish to submit to a higher being, and ask instead for Jesus to dwell in you, he can show you a better way. It's not about letting yourself get walked over, but about humbling yourself and admitting you don't know everything and never could, and that your past ways have not exactly brought you complete happiness and you wish to try another path. This is why I believe man had the fall from grace after eden. Man decided he knew better than God, so God said, okay, if you'd rather listen to venomous vipers have it your way and see where it gets you, and nowadays we have people saying "there can't be a God because he wouldn't allow war or aids". The things people use to discredit God are all products of man and his choices, not God's. That is why I believe what it says in the scripture that Jesus will return at the end of our self rule to stop it all before there is no flesh left. Look what's happening around us, and it will only get worse from here on in. I think God will have a lot of "I told you so"'s to dish out that day, to me included. Anyway I went off on a bit of a rant there, again :wink: , but to me it seems like the Holy spirit is the power of God dwelling in man, helping us to understand things that we in no way would with a carnal, earthly, rebellious mind.


I offer to you how the Buddhists see the weakness of Man :arrow:

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The seventh step of the Eightfold Path is Right Mindfulness, meaning to regard everything as being impermanent, ill and corrupt.


Getting over one's "debaseness" or corruption is a common step on any spiritual path. What the definition of said corruption is varies from Spiritual Teaching to Spiritual Teaching, but the gist is still the same.

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Indeed. Unfortunately, the great Philosophy Of Life that was the Nazerene's Message was high-jacked by a bunch of egotistical Politicians. Christianity has been a mockery of its founder since the moment he ascended. I often wonder how he feels about it…


JOHN 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem,
14 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

Jesus would not be very happy I would suspect. I would however not agree that his teachings were made a mockery from the moment he asscended. I beleive from the book of Acts etc that his followers stuck to his teachings. Jesus also prophesied that a very small remnant would stick to his teachings right up until the end of the age. I beleive is is quite possible that things started going awry with a guy named simon, referred to by many as simon the sorcerer. It is interesteing to note that Peter's orignal name was simon also. It could have been possible that this simon (the sorcerer) later impersonated Simon Peter and that was how "Christianity" as we know it branchijng from the church of rome came about. Here are the verses describing him. (note that he doesn't repent, he just expects Peter to pray that nothing bad happens to him)

ACTS 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
10 To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
11 And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Hmmm, just noticed in those verses it talks of the Holy Ghost and Jesus, and it mentions "he". That's the problem with greek translated into english, it's easy to misunderstand the point at heart.....for example is the "he" refering to Jesus or the holy spirit? Something else I will definately be looking into.


I didn't mean that no one stayed true to the Nazerene's message. Perhaps my comment was a gross generalization. Between the Ascension & Nicea, the Teachings - that Life Philosophy - were slowly being replaced by Dogma. This was all that I was meaning.

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I have had a talk with the Nazerene at one point in my life. We spoke of Existence, Metaphysics, Spirituality - everything we are discussing here, it seems. I have a great respect for the Nazerene & his message of Unquestioning Love. In fact, for all of what I see as false or immaterial within the Christian "Doctrine" (& I use that word losely), "Love Thy Neighbour" is one of THE greatest Truths I have ever learned. It is the one thing that the Individual known as Jesus (whether he was the Christ or the Barbaras, I'm not sure anymore…) taught to mankind that is so important. Unfortunately, this simple message is often forgotten or neglected by those who say they are his Faithful :idea: This hypocracy puts a bad taste in my mouth & often frustrates me. But, I try to follow the Nazerene's example. I try to Love Humanity unquestionably. It is often very hard.


I agree, following His teaching is extremely hard, but the great thing is he also understands that we are all sinners and fall short of the grace of God, and we shouldn't judge others who fail as we have done. If he thought we would all be able to follow him to the letter, he would not have needed to die for our sins. He took our punishment (Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord), and all I need to do is belive that. He told us the path away from destruction, yet knew we would fail at times, and then took our death sentence on his own head so we wouldn't have to. No greater has ever lived, and that's why I accept that He fully deserves to rule this earth, and why I would consider it an honour, not a weakness, to be able to bow at his feet.


We are more alike then perhaps we care to admit, I think :idea:


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Dr.X wrote:
15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Hmmm, just noticed in those verses it talks of the Holy Ghost and Jesus, and it mentions "he". That's the problem with greek translated into english, it's easy to misunderstand the point at heart.....for example is the "he" refering to Jesus or the holy spirit? Something else I will definately be looking into.


Just thought I'd let you know Q that after further study of the original greek, the word "translated as "HE" actually means "It WAS", and was refering to the Holy Ghost, so by this is seems that "it" may be the power of God and not a personal seperate being, though I guess more study of other verses is still waranted.


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Dr.X wrote:
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15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Hmmm, just noticed in those verses it talks of the Holy Ghost and Jesus, and it mentions "he". That's the problem with greek translated into english, it's easy to misunderstand the point at heart.....for example is the "he" refering to Jesus or the holy spirit? Something else I will definately be looking into.


Just thought I'd let you know Q that after further study of the original greek, the word "translated as "HE" actually means "It WAS", and was refering to the Holy Ghost, so by this is seems that "it" may be the power of God and not a personal seperate being, though I guess more study of other verses is still waranted.


Let me know what you find. I am really curious as to the nature of this "Holy Spirit"…


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