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I can't say I'm an advocate for pot. Far from it, actually. To me its not about if or how it causes violence or not, but how it can permanently impact how the brain functions if used excessively. I've seen 2 people in my life which have been forever changed because of this drug, while its so-called advocates say its "harmless".

While it can't be directly linked to violence, it does cause extreme mood swings in many sufferers, which then can induce violent tendencies. This is usually the case when off the drug, btw. It also can cause chronic and debilitating anxiety and even leads to other mood disorders like bipolar and schizophrenia.

Honestly, people need to stop listening to the grass root lobbyists. It isn't all roses as its being portrayed.


You know Clay the same can be said for alcohol. So should we make booze illegal. I guess I am in the camp of you sh!t in your bed you sleep in it. If somebody does to much pot or booze then that is their problem. I will not try to legislate anything until their problem affects my life then it will be a law to protect me from the stupidity of others not banning it altogether.



True true, but with the alcohol the risks are known and clear. With pot, there is a lot of unknowns and misinformation associated with it. So while someone my permanently screw themselves up, I think maybe its up to our government to make the risks known. The same goes for any substance which can cause harm. Take different chemicals with massive amounts of carcinogens. The public need to know what they're consuming if its to be unbanned.



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Kurious if you ever know anybody who smokes into their 40's and then quits, you'll understand what clay is talking about.


See, no. YMMV, but I do know people in this bracket and their minds are sharp. More then likely the people Clay know either dabbled in other drugs or have a history of mental issues.

Sungod, I think you have been watching too many government 'just say no' films.

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There is some truth to this. Habitual smoking can easily lead to lack of production; or worse, motivation only when high.

Although Marijuana is less addictive then virtually everything else out there, alcohol and cigarettes included, it is still a drug. As such moderation is the key.


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Medical research has been banned on MJ since MJ was banned. Further testing should be undertaken before just saying "fuck it, make it legal [,man]". SunGod and Clay are right, it does change your head, it can induce permanent anxiety disorders waaaaaaay after you quit smoking it, and you don't have to be a 20 year addict to get the anxiety. You can smoke it off-and-on for 6 months and be permanently changed. I've seen it.


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Any habitual activity involving a substance or not will eventually change you... it is about the culture and the experience. Yes you lose motivation, that being almost exclusively a temporary effect, but that is not an argument for making it illegal.

If the person smoking it doesn't harm another person where does the reasoning come from to force them to stop?


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No one is talking about the benefit of medicinal use here.

I was afraid of that.



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