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Century 1 quatrain 42

The tenth day of the April Calends, calculated in Gothic fashion
is revived again by wicked people.
The fire is put out and the diabolic gathering
seek the bones of the demon of Psellus.

The english translation and its meaning I accredit to the following websites

http://www.crystalinks.com/nostradamus.html
http://www.mabus.biz/

This quatrain of Nostradamus has been bothering me....waking me....haunting me. I decided to study it and to try to unlock it's meaning. I dont assume or claim I have decoded or deciphered this quatrain but you can cross check all my facts, they are true. I put links to some websites that I accredit information to and I have left some out for they were too many. Reference to literature is placed where I could but also some literature was not properly accredited. My few assumptions are ofcourse per speculation. You wont believe what I have found.

Let us look at the basic phrases and words of the quatrains....

Well first you have "The tenth day of the April Calends" which you would first think of as being April 10th on the calendar, a specific date. Maybe it is a specific date but let's look at this phrases relationship to the rest of the quatrain. "April 10th", "Calends", "calculated in gothic fashion", "is revived again by wicked people", so now you have April 10th being calculated through a gothic calendar by wicked people. Well April 10th is April 10th on a gothic calculated calendar no matter how wicked the people are. But you have the words "revived" in this first part of the quatrain which I think leads to a significance of the date and you have "Calends" which I think refers to the calendar in its entirety. This led me to consider that April 10th may be a reference to the Easter holiday or commemoration of Jesus Christ's death and ressurection. In the times of Nostradamus, Easter was celebrated twice on this date in his life time, in 1547 a fews years before his publishing of his quatrains and in 1558 a few years after his publishing of the quatrains.

Well now maybe you have Easter being calculated and revived in gothic fashion by wicked people. "Gothic" and "wicked people" would point to Pagans and their beliefs, holidays and their calendar without much doubt in my opinion. Easter calculated in gothic or Pagan fashion is the Spring Equinox. Easter coincides with the Pagan celebration of the Vernal or Spring Eqinox and is called Ostara. Because the Pagans celebrated a holiday around the same time of year as the Christians it helped in the conversion of many Pagans into christianity. It is their Easter. The Spring Equinox is generally around March 21-25 but in most sects of the pagan belief Ostara is celebrated on a fixed date of March 25. So now we may have Ostara or Spring Equinox on or about March 25 being commemorated or celebrated,"revived" by wicked people. This could be any time in history and in any place.

The second part of the quatrain has many interesting words and phrases and they happen to relate to the first part of the quatrain. We start with " The fire is put out" and clearly see we have a reference to some sort of fire. When you consider the first part fo the quatrain and the possible relation to the Pagan celebration of the Spring Equinox and the christian holiday of Easter, it just so happens that Pagan custom is the starting of a fire at or near dawn or sunrise of the morning of the pagan holiday for renewed life on March 25. Also during this holiday the tradition of decorating hard-boiled eggs was started which is an ancient Pagan custom associated with the Goddess of Fertility. In those ancient days, eggs were gathered and used for the creation of talismans and also ritually eaten. The gathering of different colored eggs from the nests of a variety of birds has given rise to two traditions still observed today - the Easter egg hunt, and coloring eggs in imitation of the various pastel colors of wild birds. It is also believed that humankind first got the idea of weaving baskets from watching birds weave nests. This is perhaps the origin of the association between colored Easter eggs and Easter baskets.

The relation and reference to Easter and Ostara in the Nostradamus Quatrain is even more evident in my opinion because of these facts. Therefore now we may have a fire in some manner or form around the pagan celebration of the Spring Equinox according to the quatrain. Again this could be any time in history and in any place.

"Psellus" and "the demon of Psellus" in the second verse are very specific and without any doubt in my mind point to Michael Psellus. Michael Psellus, a Byzantine Greek philosopher and statesman of the 11th century wrote about several things of interest relating to religion and the kings and rulers of Byzantine. He studied at Athens and entered the monastery of Olympus, where he assumed the name of Michael. Nostradamus I believe would have surely knew of his work. Among the various works of Psellus were the classifications of demons.

http://www.fact-index.com/m/mi/michael_ ... unger.html

Psellus' classification of demons

Demons of air, which cause atmospheric phenomena
Demons of earth that try to tempt people
Demons of water that destroy aquatic life, and cause wrecks and death of people in the sea
Demons of the underground, which cause earthquakes and volcanic eruptions
Demons of night, which avoid daylight and are invisible to people
Demons of fire, which dwell far from us.

Well it doesnt stop there with "Psellus" and "demon" in the quatrain. Because Psellus has a link between "fire", "demon," "Easter and or Ostara" and a few other intersting facts, among them are associations to Athens and Olympia. Psellus describes the heretical or Pagan Thracian sect of the Bogomiles, in the course of discussing demons and their interaction with humans, in the scene that follows, the Bogomiles are supposedly celebrating Easter. (Translation is from Norman Cohn’s Europe’s Inner Demons)

In the evening, when the candles are lit, at the time when we celebrate the redemptive Passion of our Lord, they bring together, in a house appointed for the purpose, young girls whom they have initiated into their rites. Then they extinguish the candles, so that the light shall not be witness to their abominable deeds, and throw themselves lasciviously on the girls; each one on whomever first falls into his hands, no matter whether she be his sister, his daughter or his mother. For they think that they are doing something that greatly pleases the demons by transgressing God’s laws, which forbid marriage between blood relatives. When this rite has been completed, each goes home; and after waiting nine months, until the time has come for the unnatural children of such unnatural seed to be born, they come together again at the same place. Then, on the third day after the birth, they tear the miserable babies from their mother’s arms. They cut their tender flesh all over with sharp knives and catch the blood in basins. They throw the babies, still breathing and gasping, on to the fire, to be burned to ashes. After which, they mix the ashes with the blood in the basins and so make an abominable drink, with which they secretly pollute their food and drink; like those who mix poison with hippocras or other sweet drinks. Finally, they partake together of these foodstuffs; and not they alone but others also, who know nothing of their hidden proceedings.

In this translation of Psellus' work we have reference to a fire being lit and then put out, as in the Nostradamus quatrain "The fire is put out", and mentions of young maidens,demons, humans, unnatural children and demonic rituals during a supposed time around Easter and Christmas. All of these I suggest can be related to the Nostradmus Century I Quatrain 42 prophecy, Psellus, and the time of year around Easter if you follow my logic. The time line ofcourse could be any time anywhere.

Psellus wrote about the Thracian sect of the Bogomiles and their rituals. The Thracians got their name, their beliefs and some rituals from the deitie Thracian Bendis, whose manifestation was heralded by the howling of her fierce black hounds. Thracians created rich figurative art that had many Greek influences and produced arts and crafts especially of "silver".

The Paulicians, Bogomiles, Albigensians, and others of their ilk were considered all alike, all heretics and of a Pagan persuation. While the Bogomiles are not widely known, a group of heretics from the south of France, the Albigensians were, the Albigensians were the target of and reason for the First Crusade by Popes Innocent III. Psellus, one of the leading Greek orthodox writers of the tenth century, wrote a book titled, "On the Operations of the Devils," in which he included almost as many fables as he had in his telling of the lives of the martyrs. According to Psellus, the heretics would meet at night by candlelight and invoke devils. When these devils or demons appeared in the shape of animals, the lights would then be extinguished and the heretics would then indulge in an orgy of sexuality with the devils and each other. This tale spread through Europe and was eventually applied to heretics everywhere.

Hold on im getting to the important stuff and I appologize for the long post but this all is relative and needs to be included.

In the quatrain now we may have reference to a ritual or celebration around March 25, a fire, a gathering, a demon and Michael Psellus.

Psellus without any doubt has a connection to demons and I would suggest without any doubt has a connection to Greece. He studied at Athens, joined a monestary at Olympus, revived the works of Plato, studied the Pagan glories of Hellas and wrote many works about Greece.
Although im now becoming more speculative I will put forth the idea that the Century I Quatrain 42 relates to Greece. If we place Greece in the equation we now get a date and location. March 25, Greece. This could be any time in history.

A "fire", "gathering" and "Psellus" with the facts I have presented can also be attributed to perhaps, let us say, Athens, Olympus and the Olympics. We all know that these specific places and events have some historical correlation to the "Olympics". 2 more specific dates come to mind when discussing the quatrain, Athens, Olympus and the Olympics. The first is 1896 March 25, the first day of the modern Olympics after they were "revived" by the Hellenic Society and the world. The second is 2004 March 25, the day that the Olympic torch was lit during a peculiar ceremony, so it may travel the entire civilized world before its arrival to Athens.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/03/25/olympic.torch/
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/do ... 318153.htm

After researching this quatrains possible implications and Psellus, the links above blew me away. First you see a "gathering" of women in a Pagan like ceremony and a"Greek" "actress" playing the part of a "high priestess" placed a "silver" "torch" inside a mirror and then the suns rays lit the "torch" after she invoked a "prayer" to the "sun god" Apollo. To put the icing on the cake, then her name turns out to be Thalia Prokopiou!!!!

Thalia (Thaleia) the "Flourishing" is the muse of comedy and of playful and idyllic poetry, and is seen with a comic mask. She is sometimes seen with a crown of ivy and a crook. By Apollo, Thalia had the Corybantes, priests who castrated themselves in identification with the goddess, Cybele. THALEIA was a Sicilian NYMPHE loved by Zeus, who, fearing the wrath of Hera, asked to be hidden beneath the earth. There she gave birth to the twin Palikoi, gods of the geysers of Sicily. “Palikoi" were Sicilian daemons, twin sons of Zeus and the Nymph Thaleia, the daughter of Hephaestus ... Thaleia, from her fear of Hera, desired to be swallowed up by the earth; this was done, but in due time she sent forth from the earth twin boys, who were called Palikoi, from ‘tou palin ikesthai’.” –A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Myth (sourced from Macrobius, Stephanus of Byzantium)

St. Prokopius (d.303) When emperor Diocletian persecuted the Christians in Palestine, St. Procopius became his first victim. The saint, who had been a reader in the church of Scythopolis, was beheaded in Caesaria Maritima. Orthodox nameday: July 8. The saints and the angels are an important part of the Greek Orthodox church and faith. All baptised Greeks are named after a saint, and so the name day is celebrated rather than the birthday. The saints are divided into six main categories: 1) The Apostles 2) The Prophets 3) The Martyrs 4) The Fathers & Hierarchs 5) The Monastics 6) The Just

http://home.it.net.au/~jgrapsas/pages/st_proko.htm

Prokopius in a loud voice, proclaimed that there were not several gods, but one alone, the creator and author of all things. "Listen," he said, "it is not good to have several masters; let there be one chief, one king"'. At these words, as though he had uttered insults against the emperors, the judge ordered him to be executed. They cut off his head, and he passed happily to eternal life on the eighth day in the month of July.

July 8th? Is this perhaps a date of importance and in relation to the date and events of March 25 2004? Perhaps. Beheadings are apparently a major part of the year 2004 and Psellus has a relevancy to natural disasters and evil deeds as does Thalia.

But let us ignore the significance of the name of the woman who somehow invoked the clouds to recede on March 25 2004 so that a fire could be lit by the sun for now.

The tenth day of the April Calends, calculated in Gothic fashion
is revived again by wicked people.
The fire is put out and the diabolic gathering
seek the bones of the demon of Psellus.

With my research we may suppose now that on March 25 at an event pertaining to or an end result of Greece, a gathering of evil people will seek to summon up a demon of some sort for some reason. Perhaps one of the 6 demons desribed by Psellus which some of can be assigned to cause severe natural disasters or do evil deeds. I would imply that with the phrase "The fire is put out" and the Pagan Bogomile ritual described by Psellus that perhaps the evil people are attempting to conceive an unnatural child which would be birthed some 9 months later around Christmas. With the alignment of the planets on March 25 2004 and the transit of Venus across the Sun, this unnatural child might possibly be the Anti-Christ.

"Seek the bones of" has several implications. The phrase could imply dead or death. A dead demon perhaps? Where do you seek bones? In or on the ground I would put forth. It also has a sexual overtone because in the dark you seek out someone when you lust after them.

Let me go back to the Olympic torch ceremony and Thalia Prokopiou. 24 women were gathered and participated in that ceremony. A ceremony much like the rituals that have been described here. A fire was lit the night before just incase the torch wouldnt be lit during the public celebration because of weather. With clouds threatening to mar the lighting, Prokopiou intoned a prayer to the ancient Greek god Apollo for the sun to shine.

"Apollo god of the sun and the idea of light send your rays and light the sacred torch for the hospitable city of Athens," she said.

I would imply that one of these women perhaps may be pregnant. If Thalia herself is on account of her name the implications are grave. Her name also implies deceit so perhaps one of the other women from the ceremony could be pregnant with the child. Also the ritual could have been utilized by others not related to the people present and somewhere in the world right now the unnatural child has been conceived.

I have not yet cross referenced these accurances with the bible for their are much and many who are more enlightened on Bible prophecy then me. But I will.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 11:27 pm 
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Do you think perhaps it was a retro quatrain?

Michael Psellus

(Michael ho Psellos), Byzantine statesman, scholar, and author, born apparently at Constantinople, 1018; died probably 1078. He attended the schools, afterwards learning jurisprudence from John Xiphilinos, later patriarch (John VIII, 1064-75). Psellus practised law, was appointed judge at Philadelphia, and under the Emperor Michael V (1041-2) became imperial secretary.

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I understand what you are saying about the deamons, however Nostradamus has been known in the past to do such things as retro quatrains.

Honestly I never researched that quatrain to any great extent, however I must admit you did peak my intrest.

I am going to be doing alittle more research regarding this one shortly and get back to you.

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I dont consider any quatrains to be "retro". Since it was the age of the Inquisition, in order to avoid being prosecuted as a magician or heretic, Nostradamus writes that he deliberately confused the time sequence of the Prophecies so that their secrets would not be revealed. Some would look at a quatrain and consider that it obviously pointed to a past event or person "before" Nostradamus' time but I would argue that all his work, whether you give credence to his work or not, refered to future times from the time of his writings.

If you look at my reference to the April 10th being the date of Easter once before his supposed writings of the quatrains and once after, you can see that dates of history have a few or many mirror type reflections.

Once again id like to point out I dont claim to have decephered the quatrain, but it did amaze me with all the similarities, references to and plain old freaky stuff.


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I think I see your point on this, regarding the common phrase "history repeats itself"

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Let me be more specific.

If you look up or calculate the rarities of the alignment of the planets on March 25 2004, the rare transit of Venus across the Sun (52 since 2000 BC) and the appearance of "heavenly" objects coming to earth. There is only one other person of great worldly significance who had these happenings around his apparent birthday....Jesus Christ. The number 666 is the mark the beast.... it is his number....it is a way to identify the beast...it is not his birthday...his birthday will be that like of Christ's.

A child conceived on or about March 25 will be birthed on or about December 25

Nostradamus' Century I Quatrain 42 I diffently believe refers to "atleast" March 25 and I have pointed to many other coincidences.....One of which is that on "my" speculated date of the quatrain a women of worldy significance (helped light a torch lit by the sun itself to travel the entire world after she had invoked a prayer to the sun god) with the first name that implies the birth of a "twin" and "demon" and the last name that connects to religious beheadings and martyrs there is more evidence relating to this year. I do mean THIS year.


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ANYONE WHO BELIEVES JESUS CHRIST WAS BORN ON DECEMBER 25 IS JUST SIMPLY FULL OF SHIT, THERE WAS NO OTHER WAY FOR ME TO POST IT WITHOUT LOOSING THE IMPACT I WISHED TO MAKE!

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I understand your statement and the capital letters LOL. I tried to indicate in my combination of posts that an anti-christ would be conceived during the spring equinox and born during the winter soltice and its birth would be "christ like". If I offended you or implied to your belief on Jesus Christ's birth day I appoligize to you and I appologize to the Lord Jesus Christ. I pretty much dont appologize for the rest.


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Hi Awoken,

I wanted you to know that this forum has many varying opinions and varying ways of conveying our thoughts.

Pauli somewhat has a more strict reading of the Bible than most others in the forum.

If you look around you will see that we vary from Christian, Catholic, Jewish, Muslims and Athiests on the board.

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you will never be able to offend me, and no harm, no foul.

Seems to me that a fellow named Martin Luther tried to point out to the catholic church, and millions of others, the discrepancies in the bible.
He made his offer to the pope and as the pope was unable, and since has been unable to disprove his treatise, he was, and has been, ex-communicated. Anything they don't want to hear they excommunicate you, kick you off/out of their chat rooms. You needn't ever apologize to Jesus Christ, he knows what you were/are thinking.


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And to you, Founder, My Dear Good Sir,
From the first council of Nicea in 323 AD, and even before, the Popes, College of Cardinals and Powers that be have altered the Original Bible many times over. I AM NOT a strict interpreter of the bible. I, along with Martin Luther attempt to expose it for many of its lies, although certainly, I lack the Ph. D. in Theology/Divinity that ML attained. Just as those who followed Hitler blindly, many others have followed the inclinations of those in power/position of trust and I personaly equate, atleast in some degree the spanish inquisition with the National Socialist State of Germany 1933 through 1945.
Anyone here reading my posts, I invite you to chastise my opinions as you will, but it is my understanding that some 13,000,000 people were murdered during the spanish inquisition, in whole or part, sanctioned by the Catholic Church. I equat the following/belief in an individual/group/organization which has sanctioned the murder and theft of assest of 13,000,000 human beings in our history, to be an advocate, hence, of the murder of 1,500,000 children and untold millions of adults during a similar slaughter during the 30's and 40's.


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